Achievement and Success

A candid conversation with  residents & ex-residents at different stages in their Centrepoint journey about what success means to them. This episode explores their experiences & struggles, and where they came from to where they are now, offering words of wisdom for young people trying to reach their own goals whilst proving that homelessness does not have to define one's future.

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The podcast from centre by young people for all people. Centerpoint is the UK is leading youth homelessness charity. at Centerpoint. We believe no young person's life should be defined by homelessness. We give young people the support they need to heal and grow no matter what. for over 50 years, we've been the centre point for change, personal and political. Everyone has their part to play with young people leading the way. This podcast has been created by young people with lived experience of homelessness will be shining a spotlight on some of the issues that affect us. We hope to challenge and change some of the stereotypes and bring others with us as part of a movement to end youth homelessness for good. This podcast was recorded on Zoom due to the Coronavirus pandemic. Welcome to point made the new Centerpointe podcast by young people for all people. I'm your host Mitac. For more Centerpointe resident, I want to thank everyone that has been supporting us so far with our podcast. Please make sure to keep following and sharing on this month's episode of point made will be in conversation with residents and ex residents at different stages in their Centerpoint journey about their achievements, exploring the experiences and struggles and where they came from and where they are now. So without further ado, let's meet our panel of young people. Hi, my name is nebula. I'm a former resident of Centrepointe. And I'm currently working for centre point as the Youth Network coordinator. George, I'm a former senator per resident at the moment, I'm currently working as a fitness slash martial law instructor. And I'm also doing leadership coaching on the side. Hi, guys, my name is Dylan, this is my second time being with Senator point. And I'm a current resident of Centerpoint as well. Hi guys. My name is Brett Morgan. I am a former Centerpointe resident, and currently the founder of a nonprofit organisation. I am a curator, campaigner and public speaker. I'm Morgan. I'm a current resident with Centerpoint as well as a volunteer and I work in several different teams for centerpoint. Best around different projects and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, now that we've got our lovely panellists, let's get right into our main discussion surrounding their achievements. What does achievement mean to our young panellist? I want to ask, the better, I'd say achievement to me is achieving personal goals in terms of, you know, I think I had a discussion with one of our panellists last week about achievements and success. And they almost said like, I don't think I'm a successes yet. I feel like, you know, I've got a lot of achievements, but not reached where I want to be. And achievements for me are just reaching my goals, personal goals, you know, career goals, education is very important to me. And it's just yeah, those kind of achievements matter to me, I'd say, thank you for that. Bless her Dylan. So achievements to me is just basically, to me, it means that I'm able to prove to myself and others that I can achieve my goals, even if there are obstacles in front of me. That's great. Yeah, let's go to Brooke Morgan. I will define achievements, about choosing myself, every day, I wake up and choose myself, she used to be better for myself, she used to rest when I need rest. She used to go harder to use to challenge myself choose to ask for help. That would be achievements to me. Because in order to actually achieve, you need to be able to do those things as a foundation and as a root. So that's how I would define achievement. Let's go to Morgan. I personally can't really define what achievements are. And I don't really like the idea of having a goal set. Because I'm more of a spur of the moment kind of person. It's like what I do at the current time, is, you know, get it done. Instead of you know, focusing on the long run. As long as I know that stuff's been finished, then yeah, that's my quote unquote, achievement, I guess. And finally, George. achievement to me is means keeping things consistent, keeping things going every single day, in a way that to me that's achievement, achievement could be anything, anything really, for example, cleaning up your dishes before bed. That's an achievement can be a big thing that you want to do during the day. So that's what it means to me. Thank you for that George Nobita. I've noticed as well achievements definitely mean different things to different people. And passively achievements for me is about constantly making myself a better person, you know, I noticed that my goals constantly are changing. But once I reach a particular goal achievement, I always want to achieve something else. So it's like a stepping stone say, I'm just trying to make myself a better person. That's the podcast from centre by young people, for all people. Okay, so I mean, because we are part of centerpoint, Dillon, or Morgan, our current residents of centerpoint. And I know rest of us are ex residents. So I'll kind of want to touch on what does success look like to you? And why is it important to hear the stories of young people at Centerpoint? So I say first, we start off with the ex residents, and then I think we can hear what the current residents have to say. So yeah, let's start with the be like, in one of my personal goals is always I've always wanted to be a solicitor, and when I make it, you know, to be a solicitor and to be financially Okay, and to have a roof over my head, that would be successful for me, and to have my family with me that that success for me really, and just to be proud of myself as well, particularly from you know, where, where I'm coming from, you know, in terms of having been homeless before. I don't want that for the future. Me. And I think that's important. And that's what's the census for me, was great. Brooke Morgan. Successful me is being okay, internally, I think you can aspire for the worldly and materialistic goods. But you can have it all and feel rubbish internally. The external factors in this world for me mean absolutely nothing, of course, there's going to be factors that enable me to support other people enable me, for me to fulfil my purpose, but ultimately, success for me, is to be without internal turbulence. And then of course, my purpose is to help others. So you know, the more people I can help, the more successful I feel like I become, but the core the baseline for me is being okay, internally, mentally, spiritually, emotionally. Cool, awesome. Finally, George, and then we will go to our current residence. And Success to me is been, first of all, mentally and financially stable. You know, because I say mentally, because if my mental health is not alright, then I can't be stable, I can't be financially stable, I can't do things that will help me grow financially. And the other thing for me is, successes, being surrounded by people who helped me grow as a person and keeping again, like I said earlier, keeping things going and keeping a consistent, you know, maintaining what I've achieved so far, a success to me. Okay, brilliant. So, Dylan and Morgan, I want to ask you this, as well, having heard what the ex presidents have just said, What are your thoughts? So I want to start with Dylan please. Thinking about it. I agree. Like, for me, personally, success is split into two things. So that's like my inner self as what Brooke Morgan was saying, just like, with my mental health and stuff, because I really struggle with that. But then there's also the other part, which is like, having a roof over my head, helping my finances in check and stuff like that. So those are like the two different kinds of things for me that will come towards success. Brilliant. Morgan, I suppose I'll agree with the majority in saying that a lot of success is based around you know, like furrows, being able to, you know, like, afford stuff, being able to actually, you know, like put clothes on your back, put food on your table and all that kind of stuff. And then for me, it's like confidence. I used to be this timid young character that just signed his bedroom majority that day, because he didn't want to actually socialise and to see myself now talking in front of, you know, like, so many different important people, whilst trying to make a difference for not only myself, but for a bigger group of people as well. I feel like that's probably a bit of a success story in America and if anything, yeah, I guess that's my own opinion. I think what we all been saying I think it's more about the little things that we We count as our success. And to someone that hasn't been involved with centerpoint. It's really good because it gives them a different perspective to show what our point of success is. And I think that's really good. So I want to ask you as well, what was that pivotal moment in your Centerpoint journey? You know, so far for you, Morgan and Dylan, and as well as for the ex presidents, what has been that pivotal moment for you? So, mythical year, what your version of success will be like? Sorry, if you don't mind. So I'll probably say is pretty much the same as what everyone said. It's more about the small things. And I broke Morgan as well, I think I've been in a similar position where just having a little bit of money meant a lot to me, just being able to buy myself a meal in the night. And are some nights I did go sleep starving, and just having a meal meant a lot to me. And it was like one of my greatest achievements to be able to get myself back on my feet. And you know, to actually push myself to do things like write a book and start my business and things like that. So I think, just appreciating the little things in life. You know, it means me being successful. So yeah, probably much this pretty much the same as everyone. Yeah, Nabila. You want to say something? Sorry. Yeah, I just thought was a really good comment that but more than made in terms of like, the mind, and like being mentally, I think it was George as well said mentally stable, and Morgan said, okay, in yourself, I think those are two very important points. But I just, my opinion is just like, you know, whilst you guys okay to like, you know, have like, a little bit of money, and still be okay. And say the little things. I think there's so much narrative in society that tells us like, if we don't have enough money, then we're not successful. So I think whilst it's really good that you guys think like that, do you guys never ever feel like society ever, like pushes you to think success looks like something else, if that makes sense to you, I think that's a really good point to make. And just to, because obviously, I never try and make things rosier than they are. I always try and give the real. But I think just to put that into context, it was a point where I started to receive counselling and I started to fall out myself again. And I do not place value in anything external than my actual being, having the confidence even though I don't have the financial stability to put food on my table and physically feed myself. I had the confidence to arts for someone. And that's where my value came. Getting back to myself again, and having so many points of realisation and understanding my situation, it was that, wow, the overall sense of joy in my body, regardless of the rubbish factors that were around me, me being able to feel that feeling for me made me feel successful in his own right. I just want to say Britt, Morgans is an amazing thing, you know, to feel good within yourself, like not to be worried about external things that you felt good within yourself, regardless of anything else. So yeah, it's quite inspiring, actually. Amazing. Morgan, just on the topic of, you know, success and happiness, especially for people who are either working for Centerpoint have been in Centerpointe, or, you know, like being an extra residence. What I've been sat here thinking is the only success that I want, again, I guess, from all this is, you know, just a bit more morality from people who may not actually go through the same struggles that we've been through. And a certain surfer, you know, are people talking down on people in bed, you know, like claiming benefits or anything like that, because end of the day, they may not actually have a choice, they may have to claim those benefits because they need to, or they need it to survive. Like if we can actually, you know, like, as a society, be more respectful of each other, no matter what sort of circumstances we go through, then yeah, maybe that might actually be true success. Yeah, I agree. I think when it comes to society, defining what success is, it's always going to be that way. I think society has a way of defining everything nowadays, like with identity and everything else. But when it comes to success, it's, you know, sometimes shown as you have to have a lot of money, or be famous and have a lot of, you know, big house, nice cars. But I think it's down to us to define what success means to us, regardless of what society says. And, you know, like we talked about today, it's about the little things for us, you know, just being happy and content, and having a peaceful life is just being successful. George, it's got to be a while I'm going to add on what you just said. Mitac is that, to me personally, it doesn't matter what people do. Think what society thinks. Because society doesn't know what's important to me. So what's important to me is not necessarily important to someone else, what's common sense to me, it's not common sense of someone else. So, me defining my own success, as you know, has nothing to do what people think people that, you know, like Morgan said, people always been to being successful, meaning you need to have a lot of money in all of this. But for me personally, when I mean, financial stability means that I'm able to do the things that I want to do. I mean, without having to think twice without having to worry am I going to have enough I don't want to have to think about I just want to go in enjoy. So going back to what I was saying is that what's important to us and important to everyone, to to society. So it doesn't necessarily matter what people think what's important is what you think, think that was a good thing that you said that you're just like, what success is to you, but I just think, you know, nowadays, there's so much pressure on like social media, Instagram, in particular, of what success is in terms of like, having money and, you know, having a nice car, and they paint that as success, but for people like ourselves, you know, have maybe not had the best background. So where we're coming from and stuff like that. I just think success might be different for us. And in that way, but yeah, I just wanted to touch on social media as kind of influence on, you know, success, what it looks like, yeah, sorry. Um, one thing as well, I just want to empower everyone to let them know that as much as we talk about society, and society and social media, and this is no indirectly below, and I say this, but like, we have the power, because when you ask people what makes up society, society is us. So you know, if I can use my voice on my social platform, to post an empowering message, or to be transparent or to just be honest with people, and I can have the that not the guts, but like the thick skin to you know, what if someone says anything about me, and it not throw me off my path, then I implore everybody to try and do that. Do not I mean, I'm not saying go and post your whole life, because it's no one's business. But you know, we have the power to control the narrative. We are society. So we all have success in our own right, waking up this morning, successful washing them dirty dishes, well done, because that may be hard for you going in the shower with someone with depression, you know, the mundane the everyday, the tedious things every day is. That's a really big task for me. But you know what? I've had three showers this week, that's once every other day, well done. You've had a successful week and success changes. Everyone's timescales are different. And I think success is fluid. And it's forever changing. I was just going to say that it's all about adding to what Brooke Morgan said is about social media about empowering mentioned seeing something on social media. But the thing is, some people may look at that and intervene just because one person has said it, you know, he doesn't really matter. But for me, standing by myself is also a form of success. Even if other people don't believe in what I'm saying. Does that make sense? Like some people think being successful means having all those people around you agreeing to be about to what you're saying, but I'm standing by yourself and you know, on your own side, it's sticking to what you believe is for Success to me. And I just say I really admire both yourself, George and Morgan's confidence within yourself, you know, is really admirable, not to feel fazed by the pressures of today's society. And to kind of be able to define your own success is a really admirable thing. To forecast from centre by young people, for all people. Living in supportive housing, accommodation. So what do you think it's needed to achieve? Your Goals? I'll start with George, personally, as a, you know, as, as a former resident when I was incentive point, um, you know, from my own experience, the one thing that kept me going is having a small dream. Yeah. And until this day, I still have that dream. And when I say to some people, sometimes they laugh at me and think some of them think it's funny, some of them think it's silly, but what kept me going was having was me telling myself every single day that I'm gonna own a Lamborghini one day, and I'm gonna have a successful family, and I'm going to be surrounded by people that love me. That just really kept me going. Because I remember when I became homeless, I've been I've taken the wrong path. But just having that small, little believe in our small imagination is what actually kept me going and made me think, yeah, I want to do this. So that means every opportunity that I see the the incentive point I'm going to take it doesn't matter what it is. I'm just going to take it because that you know how ultimately build to the long term goal. That's brilliant. I want to go to Dylan, just because he's currently in a supported housing. So Dylan, I want to ask you, what do you think needs to happen for you to achieve your goals? I mean, mainly, I think it'd be a good support system, like with your stuff and stuff, because like, if you don't get along with the stuff, key worker or support worker in or anything like that, then there's a good chance that you'll be able to, like, push on and try to achieve something. Whereas like, for me, like I've got a really good support system. And I've had like, my previous key worker and my current key workers there, I can go talk to him. And then like, they'll continue to like, give me a lot of pushes, and things like that, to get me out of my comfort zone and try to do new things like this podcast at the start of it. Like when Jay told me about it, I didn't really want to do it. And like after thinking it over and talking over it with Tamsin and Jay, I decided to do it. And I feel like it's been a real good benefit from it. Glad to hear that. Yeah, let's go to Brock Morgan. So I was gonna pick up from what Zealand just said, and a little bit of what George said, actually, for me, he's like, an outrageously confident person. I'm not normally uncomfortable. But for people that are not like, Yeah, I'll just give it a go and see what happens for people that are not as confident is that definitely stepping out of your comfort zone, because you do have a safety net of centerpoint, who you have team members in head office, you have Tamsin who's always encouraging young people, you have the jobs network of people and the employability team, and the Arts and Education team that's always trying to put opportunities in front of young people, what George said about just taking every opportunity and saying, yes, a lot of young people, sorry, correction, some young people, in the centre point services are unemployed. So what are you doing, you've got a lot of time on your hands, therefore, everything that you especially if you don't know what you want to do, you need to find out what you don't want to do. And while you have this safety net on centerpoint, try everything. You know, you can only say, Oh, I don't like it. And then you can have the option to not do it again. But you know, not lacking something will not kill you as long as it's safe. And if Centerpoint is giving it to you, it won't kill you. For me, I think what I needed to achieve my goals and what kept me going and driving forward when I was in the services was the first day I got into centerpoint, I went down to the jobs board and said management Morgan, here's my number, I'm going to be a director, I can sing I can somewhat, all of those media music opportunities hit me up, because I just had to quit my job. And I was always going to see Centrepointe as an opportunity to be something about it was always going to be my springboard, you've hit rock bottom. So cool. If this is your rock bottom, there's only up to go. So you know, don't make this show like, Oh, I'm homeless. Yeah, you can have time to feel sorry for yourself. Because being homeless is hard. It does take a toll on your mental health and everyday is not a good day. But at the same time, what are we doing, because if you want better than where you currently are, there's work that needs to be done, no one's going to come and give it to you. Regardless, if you're homeless. Or if you're in a billion pound house, no one's going to give it to you, everybody has to work in some form. Sense. People may have privileges that make it easier for them. But you have to work regardless. So get to work you and find out what you like, find out also what you don't like so you can steer clear of it. And let's go, Oh also, as well, sorry, have accountable people that you're accountable to so if you show key worker, if you can make a list of them, I've got to do three things this week. Don't overdo it, Don't set yourself 20 things to do three things this week, every other day, can you just call me and check in on me and make sure I'm doing what I'm doing. Completely agree with that. And also want to just touch on what Dylan said about, you know, him being able to go and speak to the key workers, I had a really good key worker Shibley. And that really helped as well. For, you know, young people like us as well. It'd be like, do you want to add anything to that? Or did you just I just wanted to say, go back to kind of like, you know, for me it was having a dream similar to George, you know, a dream that I wasn't going to let this idea of myself being homeless get the better of me, I remember myself first day being in the hospital as well just kind of thinking oh, I'm in a system, you know, when this system is going to kind of swallow me up and I'm gonna forever be in a system but I just kind of, you know, had a dream and I just kept, you know, working on it. And similar to what Robert Morgan said, you know, the only way was hard for me and in a similar way, just to keep moving really, you know, believing in your dream, whether it's a small dream, just work towards it. That was thing for me, really. And I just like to say, you know, one thing that keeps me going every day is having a job, I think, you know, just something to wake up for, you know, awesome. Georgia, quickly go to and then Morgan, quickly touching on one or the other just said, having a job. That is another form of achievement to me, you know, having something that just keeps you going, like you just said, it's like, having something to look forward to me normally, you know, many people may not want to look forward to getting up every morning and having a job. But like Morgan said, You've got to work, you've got to put the word hours into getting reward for me. So again, that's a form of achievement. Great stuff. Morgan. Like I said earlier, to start, I don't have any goals anymore. Like, it's just wherever the politics, that's, you know, I guess, knowing that I've got a future or like, for me, I will admit, I used to be suicidal. So for me, being alive, and keeping alive is my goal, why I can't No, I'm laughing at it. But it's, it's just looking back in the past and realising that, you know, I've come a long way, being able to have the confidence to go out and go shopping for me, I guess, is also an achievement. The, like, I don't set myself goals, I, you know, just take the work that I'm given any interviews, or any stuff sent to me by Centerpoint makes me happy as well, because it's given me something to do. It's given me work, it's given me you know, like something to go ahead and look forward to. And then just, I guess, in general, for, you know, like young people in centerpoint, I guess it is best around that whole motivation to get up in the morning, get any work that you've been given, get that done, or just simply know, like, the small things like going around cleaning in your apartment, or the house that you live in, you know, like, just from key workers, you know, having that little push and shove to, you know, keep them motivated, keep them going. For me, and I'm sure Dylan can also agree with me, Jay, as an example, is one of the most helpful people you can ever come across. He motivates me he boosts my confidence, and having that sort of good relationship where your key worker is, you know, what, a lot of people in Centerpoint need, you know, like, if you don't have that, you know, nice person to go to, that you feel comfortable around. And you know, like, you build confidence from just a motivation, they push you to, you know, like, look ahead into a future for yourself, how would you expect anyone to move on from centre point, if they can't actually know, like, have that death for them? I guess that's my two cents for that. Thank you for that Morgan. Nabila, I just want to say another thing, which was very important is like, you know, role models, like having somebody you look up to whether it can be, you know, a key worker or anybody else. And it could be anybody, you know, really who's in a good position that you feel that's in a good position. But for myself, I've always been inspired by people, you know, who've come from a disadvantaged background, but really, like, you know, I'd say made it in life. And that's in like, compared to commerce. Yeah. And they, they inspired me and just, I've always thought, like, if they can do it, I can do it. And I want to be that success story in the sense of that person that I made look up to be, you know, came from a disadvantaged background, but now they've made it and that's, you know, I just think role models are important, as well. The podcast from centre by young people, for all people. We're getting towards the end of the episode. And I want to just thank the panellists for their insight so far. Also, just want to Alex, your final, you know, your greatest achievement so far. And any final words of wisdom you have, start with George, or have many greatest achievement, but I think the one that's very styling, at the moment is keeping things going. For me, that's, that's, that's my greatest achievement. Because there's been times where things could have gone wrong. So the fact that I'm able to keep to keep things consistent in my life is one of my greatest achievement. The one piece of advice that I will have for young people, whether they're in a hospital or anywhere, it's to take every opportunity that's given to you and to take calculated risk. And the last thing I would say is don't sweat the small stuff. Amazing libido. So I'd say my greatest achievement would probably be unable to keep a job for as long as I have, because having a job has just helped me so much. And yeah, I've been able to make my, like family parents with that. So for me, that's one of my greatest achievements and the advice I'd give to young people is just Upon going, you know, even just getting up in the morning, you know, and just that in itself is an achievement and just being able to, you know, maybe it's one thing that you do a day, that's going to help your future goal, I just say just do it, even no matter how small, it can be really, really small. Just Just do it. Nice. Thank you for that. Brooke Morgan, just want to say, I know George has to go. So I just want to say if I knew he was really amazing today, my mission for life is to be a catalyst for positive change. And she Oh, my nonprofit organisation enables me to do that actively. So I'd say that's my greatest achievement in my life thus far in my life's work, helping others using the trauma I've experienced, lets me know that it wasn't in vain. And, you know, goodness me the amount of pain that I was in at one point in life, it's nice to know that it wasn't for nothing. And the advice I would give to young people would be create a y that can drive you, regardless of the space you're in mentally. So when I say a Y, my Y is to be a catalyst for positive change. Now, regardless if I'm in the depths of depression, or anxiety, or just not feeling good, or on the top of the world, achieving something that can bring me up, but it can also ground me to check my ego. And yeah, I aspire for balance in life. So you know, that grounded me, but also checking my ego when need be, is what I'd advise young people to do. Thank you for having me on our programme. Let's go to Dylan, you know, your greatest achievement so far. And any words of wisdom you have for young people, either. I'm a pretty prideful person, like, even though I'm quite quiet and shy sometimes, but I have a lot of pride. And for me, my greatest achievement was actually like, pushing my pride aside and getting the help I needed for my mental health especially. And actually getting it and sticking to it, instead of like, thinking I can do everything for myself. And a piece of advice I'd give to young people in the same position as me would be to start small, not everything has to be done. All in one go. You take things step by step and get things done little by little, brilliant. And after Morgan. In all honesty, my biggest achievement is just push it aside the level that I have have been autistic. I used to live under the shadow of knowing that fact. And it used to touch me from day to day, once I grew the confidence to like, push that aside, and realise that I'm not actually that much different to other people. That is when I started feeling like I was actually achieving stuff, I guess in life. So yeah, I guess that's my greatest achievement. But in terms of words of wisdom, I don't know why Life's too short. And just simply make the most of it. Because if you are breathing, and you are, you know, like still looking ahead into the future, then you kind of, you're just winning in life, like you may not be in the best of situations. But if you still like keeping her up, then that's your like achievement right there. So yeah, I think that's probably the best words or words that I can give. Thank you for that. Morgan. betta. I just wanted to say one last thing, touching on what Morgan said, you know, I think it's very important to find a purpose. And that purpose could be helping people, it could be anything, but I just think it's very important to find purpose in life. I agree with everyone, where everyone said, Brooke Morgan, you want to say something, sorry, I just want to I really believe in really appreciating people I just really want to give Morgan their flowers like I just can feel that energy with you that you just don't feel the need to be what everyone wants you to be and that is so powerful and brave to do to go against the grain to just authentically Be yourself. And it's not what the mould of what everybody would probably want you to be or likely to be but I just feel like standing in your truth is so much more powerful and creating a mould for people that actually are like you because the fact that you have no goals and you're absolutely okay with that. I feel like it's just beautiful and you're just kind of like this like you're achieving so much and in my eyes. I think you're very successful but I just want to give you your flowers while you're here to see it and that you waking up each day that props to you because I feel like everyone will experience suicidal thoughts in their lifetime and know how heavy that is just props to you. And I just want to give you your flowers and show respect to you. So move you to be like you've grown so much that people won't see what you've grown so much and that how that Just you're not I mean authentic you are in for lack is lovely to see because in about in a world where society even though we will ask that, oh, just be this and just be that but you never been afraid to just come and just you know, if you don't feel that way you never feel pushed to to say you feel that way. So yeah, I just wanted to say that like I'm well done Mitac for just jumping in and hosting and thanks, Tamsin for giving us this platform. And well done Dylan, because you're over there doing amazing as well. Putting your pride aside, I feel like ego is the biggest and the baddest piece that everyone has to fight. And once we realise that we have to fight internally with ourselves, pushing our pride aside, like I said before, getting the help you need is amazing. And I'm happy so much that this platform has enabled you to grow and you found like, it's helped you so like, well done flowers to you, too. Yeah, I mean, give yourself more credit. Everyone think you guys did amazing job, you are still doing amazing job in the fact that you're still weird in podcast. Even Dylan took real guts to be on this episode as well. So yeah, I mean, even my good friend, you were says that you we ourselves won't realise the achievements that we're doing. And other people can see that. So you just have to carry on going. So yeah, I mean, that was super insightful episode. I want to thank all the young people involved. And our panellists. Really appreciate your insights. And I hope our listeners can take something from this and it can help them a lot. And yeah, catch you back here on the same same time next month, we'll be exploring Christmas through the eyes of young people in supportive housing. And yeah, this is point made by young people for all people. If you want more information, then visit our blog at www.centerpointe.org/blog. Don't forget Centerpoint offers free advice via the centerpoint helpline to anyone aged 16 to 25. who is homeless or at risk of homelessness. Call us free on Oh 808-800-0661 We're open Monday to Friday 9am to 5pm. You can also leave us a message on our website at www.centerpointe.org.uk/youth homelessness slash get help now. The podcast from centre by young people for all people